Iammany den 10 augusti 2018 kl. 15.58

2018-08-10T15:58:17Z

Iammany: Skapade sidan med 'https://libcom.org/files/Banquse_recollecting.pdf When Socialisme ou Barbarie rejected « traditional » revolutionary theory for good, a minority left it and regrouped aroun...'

2017-07-29T18:17:12Z

Skapade sidan med 'https://libcom.org/files/Banquse_recollecting.pdf When Socialisme ou Barbarie rejected « traditional » revolutionary theory for good, a minority left it and regrouped aroun...'

Visa ändringar

← Äldre version		Versionen från 10 augusti 2018 kl. 15.58
Rad 1 341:		Rad 1 341:
	Guerre Sociale and those who today produce La Banquise have all made errors. The		Guerre Sociale and those who today produce La Banquise have all made errors. The
	most serious of them would be to leave these errors in the dark.		most serious of them would be to leave these errors in the dark.
		+
		+	----
		+
		+	https://libcom.org/forums/theory/bordigism-anti-fascism-01032012
		+
		+	So, back in the 60s... In 1965 Dauvé originally joins J-F Lyotard's Pouvoir Ouvrier (Workers Power - the Lyotard split from Socialisme ou Barbarie, b. 1963 - d. 1969). In the same year the bookshop/publisher la Veille Taupe (Old Mole) is set up by ex-SouBer Pierre Guillaume and Jacques Baynac. la Veille Taupe is expelled from PO in 1967, but Dauvé later hooks up with them in the aftermath of May '68 (where a number of them are involved in the action committee in university of Paris-III aka Censier). The politics of the group are increasingly influenced by Bordgism and Cammatte. Meanwhile, in the aftermath of 1968, Pierre Guillaume also discovers Paul Rassinier's "Lie of Ulysses" and thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread. Baynac falls out with Guillaume in 1969 and buggers off, calling on the rest of the collective to do likewise. Dauvé and François Cerutti (aka François Martin, co-writer of Eclipse...) stick around and Rassinier's books are sold by the bookshop from 1970 onwards. Eventually the bookshop closes in 1972 and Dauvé and Cerutti go on to found the magazine le Mouvement Communiste, etc.
		+
		+	In 1978 Pierre Guillaume opens another bookshop/publishing house under the la Veille Taupe name, which becomes a central holocaust denial publisher, in league with Robert Faurisson etc. as the story is known (including that infamous Chomsky "introduction" scam). In 1980 the Mouvement Communiste group apparently splits over the question of whether to support Faurisson or not. Dauvé is on the "not" side and hooks up with Serge Quaddrupani to form la Banquise (and later le Brise-glace).
		+
		+	During the 1980s Jacques Baynac and a number of other old ultraleftists attack Guillaume and the revisionnist milieu through various publications and media articles.
		+
		+	Time ticks along until 1995 when Dauvé, a professional writer and translator, submits a fiction novel to a publisher that Quaddrupani has put him onto. Said publisher actually has Baynac on board who remembers Dauvé from the 70s and goes, "hang on, he's a bleeding revisionist". Meanwhile in the 1990s the rumbling spat over Guillaume, la Veille Taupe and revisionism is seized on by a certain Didier Daeninckx who likes a good witch hunt and is used by him for another round of the old extreme left = extreme right gag. In response, the anti-fascist magazine collective Reflex (who have contact with Quaddrupani, through the latter's work for No Pasaran) decide to put out a compendium of articles by old and ex-ultraleftists making a stand against revisionism and also defending the ultraleft against the Daeninckx calumny. The book is "Libertaires et "Ultra Gauche" contre le négationnisme." in which Dauvé's contribution is "Bilan et contre bilan", at the John Grey site here. However that later version is edited in one detail. The original version, (still available here [edit: link broken]) says:
		+
		+	Quote:
		+	Auschwitz ou le grand alibi n'est pas un texte complaisant envers le nazisme, c'est seulement un texte borné. Au lecteur de ne pas prendre la partie pour le tout, ni d'oublier qu'il a sous les yeux une polémique contre la vision idéaliste réduisant le racisme à une idéologie pernicieuse réfutable par une propagande humaniste: Programme Communiste tord le bâton dans l'autre sens, vers un économisme réducteur. Une lecture parallèle d'Auschwitz ou le grand alibi et des publications du MRAP en 1960 grossirait d'ailleurs les dossiers des releveurs de perles, tant les textes du MRAP regorgeaient d'omissions et réductions, par exemple sur l'antisémitisme d'Etat... en URSS. [NOTE La première phrase de ma préface à Bilan 1936-1939 paru en 1979 chez 10x18 contient une énorme perle de cet acabit. Détachée du contexte, elle prête à confusion. J'y dis que "les horreurs nazies ne sont pas les pires" alors que jamais la barbarie capitaliste n'a atteint de tels sommets.]
		+	[hack trans]
		+	Auschwitz or the great alibi is not a text obliging to Nazism, it is only a limited [blinkered] text. It is for the reader not to take the part for the whole, nor to forget that he has before him a polemic against the idealistic vision reducing racism to a pernicious ideology rebuttable by a humanist propaganda: Program Communist bends the stick in the other direction, toward a reductive economism. A side-by-side reading of Auschwitz or the great alibi and publications of MRAP in 1960 also would swell the records of the hunters of pearls, as the texts of MRAP were full of omissions and discounts, for example on the state anti-Semitism. .. in the USSR. [* NOTE * The first sentence in my preface to Bilan 1936-1939 appeared in 1979 with 10x18 contains a huge pearl of this ilk. Detached from the context, it is confusing. I say "the horrors of Nazism are not the worst" whilst in fact never [before] has capitalist barbarism reached such heights.]
		+
		+	This [NOTE ...] is removed from the John Grey version.
		+
		+	So, even Dauvé himself has admitted that there was something pretty damn problematic in his opening statement to the Bilan intro and the (later edited) note.
		+
		+	My position on the line taken in Fascism/Anti-fascism is that it is "revisionist" in the sense that it denies any specificity to genocide and reduces the event to a mere body-count. This is actually a favourite tactic of those on the Right, particularly in Germany, who wish to relativise away the "problem" of the Holocaust, by reducing it to a body count. By reducing the Holocaust to a body count, right-wing revisionnists can then compare the figure to those who died in the famines caused by Stalin and Mao and say that, numerically speaking, National Socialism is a lesser evil than Communism (as they designate it). That is what I mean by revisionist.
		+
		+	I will deal with point 3 of Alf's challenge above, next - relating as it does to the critique of Bordiga's "Auschwitz the great alibi". But in a while, as I have IRL commitments to attend to. I trust no-one's in a rush, as this isn't a real-time issue particularly.
		+
		+	edit: removed the link to the scanned version of the Reflexes text (http://www.vho. [link broken] org/aaargh/fran/arvs/bavarde/GDbilan.html) as on further inspection it appears this is actually a revisionist site. This version does differ from the John Grey version in other sections as well, but without putting my hands on a printed copy of the original Reflexes version, it is not possible to say further.

La Vieille Taupe - Versionshistorik

Iammany den 10 augusti 2018 kl. 15.58

Iammany: Skapade sidan med 'https://libcom.org/files/Banquse_recollecting.pdf When Socialisme ou Barbarie rejected « traditional » revolutionary theory for good, a minority left it and regrouped aroun...'